Trash Can

Submitted by Shawne Southard on Tue, 08/12/2008 - 6:51pm.

Ok so today I'm outside doing some gardening in the front yard (weeding etc.) and I have my trash can with me in the driveway to put the debris in. I quick grab my two kids and throw them in the car for a 30 minute trip to CVS for medicine and when I get back to finish gardening my neighbor says that the Covenents person was checking my house out. Well I can't figure out what could be wrong, I mean we painted our "naturally weathered" mailbox last month like they demanded so what's wrong? Well I go to Armstrong Connect to check it out and here it is people:

8/12/2008 4410 Ridgewood Ct 0
1st Notice : Trash-Improper Storage

OMG!!!

Submitted by pvigliano on Tue, 08/12/2008 - 9:38pm.

You can't be serious. Sounds like we have some overzealous covenants member who has run amok. Perhaps he/she has too much time on their hands? Or is this an Armstrong employee driving around the neighborhoods conducting inspections on a whim? Whatever the case, it appears that somebody or some group is on a power trip. Where is the oversight on this sort of thing? Who decides whether this is a legitimate violation or not? Where is the common sense? It looks like whoever did this wasted no time in posting the violation. Get a life buddy.

Submitted by tkd345 on Fri, 08/15/2008 - 7:20am.

Unbelievable! You get a notice for your trash can that, ironically, was being used to assist you in IMPROVING your yard. On our cul de sac there is a house with an inflatible pool in the front yard that is filled with stagnant water. That is not only an asthetic issue but a safety issue as well (mosquitos and drownings!). The same house also has a slide in the front yard. To the best of my knowledge, nothing has been said by MPOA. Neighbors' suggestions are being ignored. Any possibility someone on the committee has a personal issue with you or your house?

It is sad that someone has that much time on his/her hands.

Submitted by MSMom on Mon, 08/18/2008 - 11:22pm.

I'm in the same cul de sac as the person above. It makes our street look so "getto" I would have thought by now that something would have been done.

Submitted by TJ Southard on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 10:07am.

Send the address, or call it in to the MPOA building, I believe you can do it anonymously. I don't know because I've never reported anyone but I wouldn't hesitate if I were faced with that pool or swing.

Tj.

Submitted by thebyrd on Fri, 08/15/2008 - 10:27am.

I used to feel the exact same way.. until I stepped back and looked at the entire situation. I have spoken my mind several times and usually just blurt out what comes without thinking of the consequences. I used to think that is the reason I get violations, that it had to be something personal, especially when you see the neighbors in very close proximity of me that claim they didn't receive violations. The way I now view the violations has evolved. If/when I get a violation, I correct it. Plain and simple. Correct it, then call the office and ask to have it placed on the agenda for re-inspection so that it can be closed out as soon as possible. Maybe it even helps the inspectors better plan their routes so that they can get on to the homes that are in serious need of review. As long as it gets corrected in a timely manner, no one really gives it a 2nd thought. Even when I asked for an extension to address concrete steps issues that were difficult to correct due to the large amounts of weekend rain, the director was more than happy to extend the time needed to perform repairs. They don't provide ANY input or suggestions as to how to correct it and they tend to use MISC. a lot (which leaves some things open to interpretation). But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that the violation is corrected. If you get in front of the violation, the office will definitely work with you, at least that has been my experience. If there are any questions about the violation, just call up there and ask to have it explained. Most of the violations are pretty straight forward. A Trash Can that was not placed behind the house is just low hanging fruit. If the person that is charged with performing inspections can go out, grab 10 pictures of trash cans that have not been put away (NOTE: perception here...No one was around the trash can;it appeared to be a violation) and then come back to the office and upload 10 violations, then their job has been justified. They have performed the duties that have been assigned to them. Place the trash can behind the house, call the office and ask for a re-inspection. They may not even send someone out to check. They may just close out the ticket (I know I would, if I were the director). Case closed. Less stress. Laugh about it even. This works for me.

Personally, I was furious when I saw the violation that I received 2 years ago. It was a picture of a piece of homework paper in my backyard. The picture was taken with a camera that was angled just right to photograph between the wooden slats that made up my fence. Do I believe for one second that EVERYONE that owns a fence gets inspected by the inspectors looking through the small space between the wooden fence slats? No. That appeared to be completely personal. The piece of paper had the little girls name on it from next door. Most likely it floated down off of their deck in to my backyard. It just happened around inspection time. After I calmed down and walked to the back yard, picked up the piece of paper and threw it away... violation cleared. End of story. Oh how I wanted to call up there and give them a piece of my mind. Really?? Improper storage of trash?? One sheet of paper in the corner of my back yard? But again, LOW HANGING FRUIT. Facts: Was there "trash" in the back yard in the corner? YES. If so, that is a violation. Had that piece of paper not been brought to my attention, it might have been there for at least 2 or 3 days before it was cleaned up. And this was a piece of paper that you could only see if you were standing on my deck or the deck to the LEFT of my house. Or, if you were close to the fence and looking between the slats, like the inspector. But really, it was just an easy thing to place on the violation list. It is very difficult to accept the simple facts. Espeically for those of us who go the extra mile and attempt to enhance our property with landscaping and other actions. For me, it was "all this work and this is the thanks that I get!" That point of view has evolved. I now thank the inspectors for bringing any violations to my attention. If I knew what day they were going to inspect.. I might even place something out there for them to justify their jobs.. only to clean it up the next day.

Submitted by TJ Southard on Sun, 08/17/2008 - 10:43am.

Are you drinking the Cech koolaid? You better not start "quoting" yourself.

The facts - They are a paid position. They have to, and you said it, Justify their jobs.

So they're coming back with these bogus violations trying to stay busy. They need to relax and use COMMON SENSE. A trash can in the front yard with branches coming out with rakes and a ipod out looks like neglect?

These people work for us and most of these violations are bordering on harassment.

TJ Southard -
4410 Ridgewood Ct. - come and check my house.... again.

Submitted by thebyrd on Mon, 08/18/2008 - 1:03am.

I'm just trying to offer what has worked for me in my experience to explain to people the WHY behind them getting what appears to be a bogus, NO COMMON SENSE USED, violation, and how to quickly get it resovled. No one in this neighborhood could give a 2nd thought about someone's trash can being out in their front yard with branches sticking out of it. (Especially your next door neighbors that know you and appreciate that you keep your yard work up and done. The people that it would most likely affect.) The fact of the matter is that under our covenants, it clearly states that the trash can must be placed behind the house (Prince William County code also says this). You can go before the board of directors and inform them that the violation was just a gigantic waste of everyone's time. The board will look at the pictures of the trash can out in front of the house and then most likely say.. Yeah.. violation. If we wanted people that could use common sense, we would have to pay a lot more on the management contract. If we could get more neighbors to call and report their neighbors.. the inspectors could spend more time following up on real violations and less time trying to get the easy ones.
My stance on this is just to offer up a quick resolution to our system that is in place. We are talking about a trash can violation.. yes it was dumb that you got it after you take in all of the evidence, but if you were to just move it to the back yard and then have them reinspect, you can close it out and maybe have a laugh at their attempts to justify their jobs. Sure it is annoying, but also easily dismissed/corrected and then forgotten.
We have 2 full time inspectors, a covenants director and an assistant covenants director(neither of which have been available for me to speak with). There are 3850 homes to inspect in a year. That is 320 homes per month. Which is 80 homes per week for 2 people. So basically 16 homes per day. Then you need to throw in the Re-inspections, throw in complaints from neighbors that need to be followed-up on, holidays, "training" days, and research time to see if a violation is under that awesome "grand-father" clause, so you are lucky to probably get 10 homes per week inspected. And out of those 10 homes.. something MUST be wrong. I don't work up there nor have I spoken to anyone about how they run their shop. I just know that some REALLY stupid violations have been called because of our system in place. Low hanging fruit my friend.
I remember when I was a board member and the violation was for a SHED. I went to look at the SHED and it was a small garden rubber-maid box about 2'x2'x2' to store small hand shovel and a couple of other items to help maintain a nice yard... UNDERNEATH their deck and not visible from ANY neighbors. It didn't fall under any other category so they called it a shed. You should have seen Armstong defending their position of why they called it a shed.
Anyways... the system in place will not change. I was just trying to offer up options for working within our system that would hopefully lend to less stress over really dumb violations... that are going to continue to happen to everyone.
The inspectors gave the neighbor across the street a violation for the color of the bumpout being faded. From his house.. you can see at least 10 homes with the same exact bumpout and same exact fading. No one else claimed to have gotten the same violation. The material is a burnt orange metal that actually looks like it is supposed to have a weathered/faded look. It looks nice, but since we have a different inspector than the previous year, now it is a violation. I could go on and on. But the point is that it is much easier to correct it and then forget it since you are not going to be able to change the inspectors or the system.

Submitted by TJ Southard on Mon, 08/18/2008 - 10:09am.

I'm just trying to tell the inspectors, the board and Montclair that these violations don't need to happen in the first place. They waste montclair money, like the postage on the letter I got today, and the time of all parties involved.

BTW - the board, from what I've heard, have told the covenants inspectors to calm down on the questionable violations. We'll see if I get dinged for my house being to square.

Tj.

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